60 Minutes Missed on Ethanol
There have been a few posts on the blogs explaining that the story on ethanol that was done by Dan Rather on 60 Minutes somewhat misstated the case for ethanol, particularly for E85. I'm not fully up to speed on some of this but it's clear that there's a vast difference between Brazil's sugarcane industry that's used for ethanol and the story of corn and ethanol in the United States. Before the politicians drag us into 'solutions' that give us a false sense of our energy situation, everyone needs to inform themselves more thoroughly about the problems we face and what it's going to take to find realistic solutions.
Burning fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow is no solution. The two oldest nieces of my wife each gave birth within the last two weeks, first a girl, then a boy. There's a fair chance the boy and the girl will live until the 22nd century and they and their children and their grandchildren will see the consequences of our policies. They will either thrive because of our energy decisions or they will suffer because of our energy decisions. These are real issues, not abstractions. Here's a post by Robert Rapier, a chemical engineer, on his blog, R-Squared:
Some critics argue that we're getting less energy out of ethanol than we're putting in to produce it from corn in the first place. If we're putting a 100 units of energy into producing ethanol from corn and we're getting 99 units of energy back, we're going backwards. We're not accomplishing a thing. Even if we put a 100 units of energy into producing ethanol and get 110 units back, it would still require a huge amount of land to make even a small dent in our total oil consumption. Americans are going to have to be very careful about what the politicians call solutions.
Burning fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow is no solution. The two oldest nieces of my wife each gave birth within the last two weeks, first a girl, then a boy. There's a fair chance the boy and the girl will live until the 22nd century and they and their children and their grandchildren will see the consequences of our policies. They will either thrive because of our energy decisions or they will suffer because of our energy decisions. These are real issues, not abstractions. Here's a post by Robert Rapier, a chemical engineer, on his blog, R-Squared:
I just finished watching the 60 Minutes piece on ethanol production. Wow. What a puff piece. I thought at least I might see some attempt at balance. But there was no mention of the disadvantages at all. It makes you wonder why ethanol is the least bit controversial. Let’s break the piece down a bit.I don't think Rapier has given us the final word on ethanol but Dan Rather clearly didn't do his homework. Come to think of it, the Bush Administration and most members of Congress haven't been doing their homework either.
Dan Rather on Brazil
Rather pointed out that Brazil has virtually stopped importing foreign oil by switching to ethanol. He said ethanol is cheaper and cleaner. He had Berkeley professor Daniel Kammen on, who said that Brazil made a commitment to ethanol, and then followed through.
So, if Brazil can do it, why not us? Right? Or was Brazil able to do it for reasons other than making a serious commitment?
First, Brazil uses sugarcane to produce ethanol. It is hands down the best crop for making ethanol. The ethanol yield per acre is twice that of corn ethanol, and the energy requirements for refining the crude ethanol are far lower. Unfortunately, the climate in most of the U.S. is not amenable to sugarcane production.
Second, they showed a brief shot of Brazil’s highways. You know what I saw? No Hummers. No SUVs. No pickups. No large vehicles of any kind. That's one reason the average annual per capita energy consumption in Brazil is 36.3 million BTUs/person. On the other hand, the average in the U.S. is 209.7 million BTUs/person - almost 6 times as much! Are you starting to get a picture of why Brazil can do it?
Some critics argue that we're getting less energy out of ethanol than we're putting in to produce it from corn in the first place. If we're putting a 100 units of energy into producing ethanol from corn and we're getting 99 units of energy back, we're going backwards. We're not accomplishing a thing. Even if we put a 100 units of energy into producing ethanol and get 110 units back, it would still require a huge amount of land to make even a small dent in our total oil consumption. Americans are going to have to be very careful about what the politicians call solutions.
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Bush is is more concerned with businesses making money than he is about the environment. He blah blah's on about the quality of our air, the environment and alternate fuels as solutions. While at the same time clear cutting the forests and destroying wildlife in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge are Bush’s agenda. Not preserving the environment for future generations.
Our country uses about 40% of the world’s energy. We need to start looking at the "big picture". What we do as a country effects the environment so much. We need to start looking for long term solutions and elect someone who gives a hoot about the enviroment - not catering to the big corporations. Nothing will have any major empact until we as individuals change our ways.
I am a fan of wind and solar solutions as a starting place. Smaller dual fuel cars are a great idea - if we all gave up our larger SUV type vehicles. I am always reminded how fragil and small I am when I pull up next to one of them on my motorcycle. There is no way I can afford the price of the available duel fuel vehicles right now.
I suspect if we spent the same amount of money funding alternate fuel vehicle production (even going so far as to provide substantial rebates) as we do on war, our ancestors would would live in a better world.
There's more to it than whether we get 99 units of go juice back for 100 units of energy put into producing ethanol.
Last time I checked, Arab oil sheiks and difficult leaders elsewhere grow little if any corn. American farmers grow lots of it, along with other crops that can be used to make ethanol. And, if demand surges, barring weather disaster, they can grow much more. I'm guessing potato peels and sugar beets — which can be grown in quantity in many places in the U.S. — could also be used.
How much better to actually spend our fuel money to the benefit of our farmers and, through the ripple effect, our whole economy, than to drown the most problematic regions of the world with yet more billions of our money.
Another factor is availability. China, India and other countries will inevitably bid up the price of oil. Enemies can play hell with the long, costly-to-defend supply line from the Mideast. Relying heavily on ethanol reduces the risk of disruption of supply, which can also be extremely expensive.
The big picture includes much more than has been presented to us so far, by Rather or others.
S.W., currently almost all of the 100 units of energy needed to create ethanol, from growing corn to the final product, comes from fossil fuels. There is talk of other agricultural products doing better but the problems are far from being solved. Ultimately, one way or the other, those fossil fuels used to make ethanol come from the Middle East or the the Middle Eastern oil producers benefit from the high oil and natural gas prices.
To give a comparison, if you invest a 100 units of energy into producing oil, you get, on average, about 5000 units of energy back. Even Brazil's return on sugar cane, which is much greater than our return on corn, doesn't even come close to that.
What the United States needs is major Apollo-style research into alternative and hopefully sustainable energy, more research into energy efficiency and a major conservation program to give us time to find the solutions and to build the infrastructure.
Some investment should probably be given to farmers trying to use agriculture to grow our energy but we're a long way from a solution in that area.
I fully agree about the need for an all-out, multifaceted research effort.
I suspect you're considering production of corn and other crop-based fuels on the current situation. If called on to do so and if they were assured of a large, ready market, I'm sure our farmers would produce extremely large quantities of suitable crops very efficiently.
Their increasing efficiency at some point would cross on a graph the rising price line of Mideast oil.
Furthermore, the ongoing war risk our dependence on Mideast oil ensures transcends normal cost considerations.
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